Game of Thrones – Sansa v Daenerys

Harper’s Bazaar labelled the feud between Daenerys and Sansa as “gendered’ and regressive”. Buzzfeed initially complained about Sansa’s “dagger eyes” at Daenerys, then seemed to later change their tune – possibly that might be because many supported Sansa – but, after The Last of the Starks, reverted to their old beat. Daenerys and Sansa have vastly different and conflicting political interests, and their political interests are deeply rooted in their identities. Expecting the two to get along simply because they’re both women is what is actually reductive, gendered and regressive.

Needless to say, if both Sansa and Daenerys were men, we would not be having the same conversation. When Jon first refused to bend the knee to Daenerys in Season 7, did anyone call him “catty?” As for Buzzfeed’s comment, Sansa does not know Daenerys; her story began with naively trusting the Lannister’s, it would be an insult to her character growth if she were to easily trust Daenerys based on Jon’s word and especially since we’ve just witnessed Daenerys relishing in the Northerner’s fear of her dragons (which should have set alarm bells ringing given that the series focuses on the harsh realities of war crimes exacted by nobles on the innocent). Moreover, as Jon is in love with Daenerys, his judgement is currently compromised. Sansa has every right to judge for herself; to revile her for this is to deny her agency and capacity to make character assessments independently. So, tell me, who is being misogynistic to whom?

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As lovely as Jon is, his ability to assess others correctly has never been his strong suit. We see this during his stint as Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. After granting wildlings refuge South of the Wall, he fails to unify the Night’s Watch and the wildlings. He blindly assumes that the members of the Night’s Watch will obey his commands simply because he is the Lord Commander. As a result, labelled as a ‘traitor, ’he is murdered by some members of the Night’s Watch.

Many have labelled Sansa as “untrustworthy” for not informing Jon about the Knights of the Vale. However, if she had, who’s to say that Jon would not have moved ahead with the same plan? Rickon, as the last living male Stark heir, was dead the moment Ramsay captured him; Ramsay would not have let him lived as his existence would challenge Ramsay’s claim. Sansa tells Jon that Ramsay lays traps (remember how Theon became Reek?) and Jon refuses to listen because he is the ‘military man.’ Ramsay does indeed lay a trap using Rickon as bait. Jon charges ahead to save him and his army follow suit to save Jon. The same plan would possibly still be used even if Jon knew about the Knights of the Vale and incorporated them into his army. The only difference is that this time there would be higher casualties. The Knights of the Vale arriving by the end enabled them to save Jon, the remainder of their army and to win the battle. With that in mind for the rest of this post, let’s remember that Jon does not possess the clearest judgement.

We see, in ‘Winterfell’, Sansa raise a valid point concerning logistics. Sansa asks Daenerys how she is supposed to feed this huge army. “What do dragons eat, anyway?” Daenerys smugly and unhelpfully retorts: “Whatever they want.” Daenerys makes a veiled threat, but I think there’s another angle that plays into Daenerys’s retort. Daenerys is all too aware that, last season, she was struggling to feed her army and during the Field of Fire, Daenerys impulsively, in a fit of anger, torched the loot train. Had Daenerys seized it, it could have been taken North to feed her army instead of exhausting supplies that Sansa had carefully worked to gather.

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Later, we see Daenerys worried as her dragons are “barely eating” having consumed 18 goats and 11 sheep. This would hardly qualify as “barely” any food for the Northerners which could have fed families especially as winter is here. So, not only are Daenerys’s dragons consuming livestock that could have fed people, she also burned the loot train which could have fed her army instead of burdening Sansa with that responsibility. What else do dragons eat if they cannot find livestock? Remember Hazzea? The farmer’s four-year-old daughter who was killed by Drogon near Meereen? Daenerys feels terrible for a long time, but by the end of ‘A Dance with Dragons,’ she no longer remembers the child’s name. In that same POV, she decides that she will unleash fire and blood in her pursuit for the throne even if innocent people become collateral damage.

Sansa was right to question Daenerys. Sansa understands what ruling entails. Daenerys does not which is why she wasn’t altogether happy that Sansa brought this to her attention. At least in the book series, Daenerys is aware of her deficiencies in ruling. But, apparently, show Daenerys believes in her full might to feed her army through ‘witty’ quips. Yep, that’ll feed ‘em.

In ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms,’ Daenerys spins the Lena Dunham, girl power, white feminist spiel on Sansa (that smile said it all) – believing misogyny is Sansa’s problem and not the threat that Daenerys presents to Northern independence – which massively backfires. Daenerys attempts to connect to Sansa by focusing on the things they have in common:

  • Both are powerful women who have ruled ‘successfully’
  • Both have had their homes taken away by the Lannister’s
  • Both love Jon

Except Daenerys hasn’t ruled successfully, has she? Tyrion was left to clean up the mess she had created, to establish trade in Meereen again. After freeing slaves, she left the cities in ruin without a system in place which eventually led to freed slaves returning to their masters. Now, in defence of Daenerys, overthrowing a system to build a new and better one is a difficult task to achieve, especially for a young girl with a shortage of political nous. When Hizdar points out that “politics is the art of compromise,” Daenerys responds that she is a “Queen, not a politician,” thus failing to recognise that the two go hand-in-hand.

Daenerys is supposedly the “Breaker of Chains,” so, shouldn’t the Breaker of Chains be more open to the idea of granting independence to the North? Before you miss the point and say that the Northerners aren’t slaves, I am alluding to the concept of freedom. The North has wanted independence for a long time. Their values and traditions are different to Southerners and we know this because look at how Ned and Sansa suffered in the South. Further, Daenerys demands the Tarly’s and the survivors of the Field of Fire to “bend the knee or refuse and die.” Given that one of the two choices is death, it’s not really much of a choice, is it? Even if Randyll Tarly refused. Demanding servitude, as one Twitter user pointed out, is still putting people in chains, even if the chains are invisible. Therefore, it stands that Mhysa is a master too. I mean, how dare Sansa not like Columbus’s daughter, amirite? For that matter, I don’t think any white person should feel that they have the right to express dissatisfaction with POC viewers not being on board with Daenerys’s imperialism as this is something that their people have not had to face. White people do not have the right to tell POC to sympathise with Daenerys. To POC who support Daenerys, don’t forget your own people, don’t forget your own history.

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As Sansa pointed out in the war council during ‘The Last of the Starks,’ the Northerners are Daenerys’s people too. However, I do believe that Daenerys was adopting a patronising tone to placate Sansa’s worries about Jon bending the knee for love by calling it ‘Jon’s war.’ This earns Daenerys no brownie points because all this indicates is that Daenerys isn’t treating her like an equal (though she ran the girl power spiel) and nor is she understanding that the North is part of the Seven Kingdoms that she should serve – not just Jon. To reiterate, who is being misogynistic to whom?

I am glad Sansa is trying to end Daenerys’s whole career. Sansa has actually fought for the North, won, and is loved by the North, so why would she not attempt to secure Northern independence through Jon’s claim to the throne? Especially a ruler who is not allowing the Northerners to rest after the Great War. Some ‘Queen.’

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For me, Sansa wins over Miss Using a Woman of Colour to Prop up My White Saviour Image. Down with the Dragon Queen imperialist.


What are your thoughts on Daenerys v Sansa? Who are you rooting for and why? What did you think of the conversation between Daenerys and Sansa? Do you think the show’s portrayal of the two is ‘gendered’ and ‘regressive?’ Do stories need to be all about ‘girl power?’ Let me know in the comments!

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  1. I don’t want Sansa or Daenerys to be the sole ruler. Tyrion gets my vote because he’s awesome. Not that it’ll happen. In addition to being a genius, he’s loyal, competent, a masterful planner and negotiator, and a survivor. Plus, he uttered my favorite line of the show so far, “That’s what I do. I drink, and I know things.” I need a t-shirt with that quote printed on it!

    It would never have occurred to me to think that Daenerys & Sansa’s relationship is ‘gendered’ or ‘regressive’. It is what it is. Who cares? If you don’t like it, don’t watch it, amirite? (I stole that from you) One of the reasons I don’t follow Twitter or any similar social media outlets is that people are too easily offended and too often say the stupidest shit about things that don’t matter and that their comments won’t change. I don’t have time in my busy life to subject myself to every connected person’s opinions about every little thing.

    No, not all stories need to be only about girl power, but I am grateful for the ones that feature strong, competent females.

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    1. Even though Sansa’s the only who’s shown capability to rule well? And she’s ruled alone while Jon was away. Men surprise me, even the well-intentioned ones. I’m not even angry, I’m just disappointed. Except Tyrion doesn’t know things, does he? Especially not this season. Sansa did, repeatedly, for the past few seasons, but, of course, some men won’t acknowledge that she’s displayed far better wisdom than Tyrion. Tyrion is the embodiment of mansplaining white men who think they know so much better than women when in reality they should take women far more seriously than they do. He didn’t take Sansa, Daenerys or Cersei seriously… we all know how that’s worked out. He has the emotional intelligence of a potato. Sansa was right that Cersei wouldn’t send help, Tyrion was wrong. Sansa was right that Daenerys is untrustworthy, Tyrion wasn’t. You’ll get your wish. He’s shown nothing but incompetence this season. But you’ll get your wish. He’ll be Hand of the King/Queen. Daenerys will die. He’ll rule as some other King or Queen’s Hand. Shame Sam Tarly doesn’t get more recognition. He’s intelligent, humble, strategic (in the books much more) and is able to read people well. Sam is by far the best male character on the show. I don’t think you need that t-shirt, we already know most men think they are the embodiment of that quote already, especially white men.

      I think it would be a disservice to me as a woman and a feminist for feminism to be capitalised on. Fuck ‘strong and capable’ women. We have that with Sansa and even you still don’t think she should be a sole ruler. I want complex women, real women, not a feminist robot. For the most part, I think men just want strong and capable because they just can’t handle a woman’s emotion.

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      1. Hi Soph! I hope you’re doing well today. I apologize for my delayed response, but when I saw your comment but hadn’t yet seen the final episode, I stopped reading before I’d finished the first sentence in case there were spoilers. I finally got to watch the finale last night.

        Don’t read so much into my desire for Tyrion to be king. I knew he wouldn’t be, he just happens to be one of my favorite characters. Sam is too and I’m glad that, in the end, he was finally elevated to the position of respect he deserved. I also love Bron. And Brienne. I was angry that they reduced her to tears when Jamie left. I loved Jamie too and am angry that he was unable to cleave from Cersei.

        I was bitterly disappointed that Bran became king but not surprised. Clearly, Sansa would’ve made the more competent ruler than just about any other character playing the game. My earlier remark about preferring Tyrion was based on how much I liked the character, not on competence to rule. I never much liked Sansa. The fact that Tyrion nominated Bran and thereby became his Hand made me want to puke. I loved Tyrion because I thought that in the end, the courage of his convictions would win out over his thirst for being the power behind the throne.

        You nailed it when you stated that it would be a disservice for feminism to be capitalized on. It would also be anachronistic to project our modern feminism onto a story set in a kingdom modeled on 15th-century Europe. Of course there were occasional female rulers, some good, some bad, but if it was going to come down to a vote, as it did, it’s unrealistic to think that the remaining powers would’ve voted for a female in that setting.

        Men do struggle, mightily, to handle a woman’s emotion. Many of us are taught from birth to suppress our own emotions, to the point that we often can’t even identify our own emotions much less adequately cope with them. For those who do eventually get clued in, it still takes a lot of time and much work to reach a point where we can begin to handle a woman’s emotion. And even those of us who reach that point remain flawed, imperfect people who are doomed, occasionally, to fail in our efforts. When we do, all we can do is ask humbly for forgiveness and try to do better in the future.

        So humbly I beg you, please forgive me, and I’ll try not to let you down again.

        Sincerely,

        Denny

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        1. I don’t really feel like Bronn deserved to be there, but he’s a total realist, so I’ll give him that. But I’d be more so worried that he’d enact legislation or rules that are much more self-serving, however, I’m sure the remainder of the council would keep that in check.

          I have to completely disagree about how they handled Brienne. Why do women just get to be ‘strong’ while male characters are easily accepted for experiencing the full spectrum of human emotion? Brienne is a human being after all, she loves Jaime and has for a long time. Why should she swallow her pain? If the writers repressed her emotions, it would be a manifestation of ‘man up.’ Girl, cry. It’s okay to cry. Pride is overrated anyway. I do feel that Jaime’s return to Cersei may be different in the books, I think he will return to Cersei to kill her and I think it might be Cersei, in the books, who will set off wildfire in the showdown. But, let’s see… if we ever get to see. Although, I still liked it this way. His relationship to Cersei mirrors drug addiction and I felt it was a sincere portrayal. His arc reminds me of a combination of Charlie and Sawyer’s from Lost. I mean, he even looks like Sawyer, paha.

          I love the idea of Bran as King. He can’t have children which means Westeros won’t be treated to cruel sons of kings. The very fact that Bran is without desire, I believe, will make him a good King. I think GRRM would explore it in a manner which would be far more understandable in the books. Bran becoming king paves the way for democratically elected officials in the future. Sam had the right of it, but his ideas were too progressive for their times. Sansa’s entire arc has been getting OUT of the game of thrones because she’s sick of it and going home where games aren’t played. The Northerners are straightforward people after all. Yara, I sincerely doubt, would want to rule the Seven Kingdoms. I don’t believe that the decision for Bran to become king was rooted in gender, he seems the most gender neutral character come to think of it. I felt that the decision was more to dismantle monarchy and the terrible repercussions of it.

          But, except Tyrion hasn’t always had the best convictions has he? In Kings Landing, he is comparatively kinder but not when you compare him to Sansa and Varys who are far kinder and judicious than Tyrion. He is an excellent artistic creation (in the books, not the show, the show completely whitewashed him into an unrecognisable character) given that both him and Daenerys are the two most morally grey characters in the books. But amazing convictions? I’ll give him some credit in that he actually feels remorse for murdering Shae (completely unjustifiable), but, let’s not joke, he wants to murder Cersei (understandable) and rape her too (just disgusting), and my memory is hazy regarding this, but if I recall there was some either dubious consent given to the sex workers/abuse in A Dance with Dragons. So, he is neither all that smart (Sansa is) or that kind (Sansa is).

          Out of curiosity, why did you ask for strong and competent female characters, but when you’re given a character like Sansa who is both strong and competent, you say you’re not a fan? I think you’re great, so please don’t take offence, but I do have to wonder if it’s all just paying lip service to feminism? Some people just don’t like Sansa, that’s fine, except that whatever reasons people give about why they don’t like Sansa tends to pretty much always be deeply rooted in misogyny and I’ve always said that Sansa Stark is a litmus test for misogyny. Sansa is one of the very few characters who could be considered a feminist icon after all. “The dudebros are cheering until you swap the gender.” Don’t take this to mean that I think you’re horrible, but this is something I feel the need to explore because it’s raising some eyebrows on my part.

          I understand where you’re coming from. Personally, I haven’t had that experience in my family, but I think that may be because I come from a Muslim family with practising male relatives. Islam definitely tackles toxic masculinity well, but I agree that culture and patriarchy spurs men to try and attempt to be an alpha male and repress their emotions in the process.

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          1. I didn’t like Sansa because I never recovered from my earliest impressions of her as a vapid, entitled, mean girl who came across as someone who truly believed, from a very young age, that she deserved nothing but the very best of everything simply because she was so darn beautiful.

            I have never read the books and have never watched a single episode more than once or with anywhere near the level of focus or thought that you appear to.

            I don’t think it’s right that you use a person’s reaction to fictional characters, especially ones that are doubly created (1st as the author intended them to be then as filtered through the intentions of the filmmakers) as a litmus test for misogyny or anything else.

            It’s clear that you consider pop culture creations to be much more meaningful and influential than I do, but really, I wouldn’t judge you or anyone else (or even raise an eyebrow) or try to discern your innermost feelings, thoughts, or beliefs about an idea or conception based on your reaction to a fictional character. I care not one bit for what people, real, think or believe; I care about how they act, what they do.

            And in that spirit, I’m fixin’ to hop over to your Blog and see if you’ve posted a recent entry in your series of interviews with real people from other cultures. I really like what you’re doing there.

            Take care, be well, and keep fighting the good fight, Soph.

            In love & friendship,

            Denny

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            1. Right, I’ve taken however long it’s taken to reply to this because I read your comment and the first thought that came to my mind was: “who on earth does this guy think he is?” The caucacity of your entire comment.

              Right, let’s dissect your comment one step at a time AOC style because remember when you said you’re not the greatest fan of AOC? But really she talks to white men like they’re wilful children because that’s how they behave, but, of course, hOw DaRe ShE bE mEaN tO wHiTe MeN. Too used to white privilege, huh? Well, not today. Certainly not on my blog.

              1. Sansa is vapid = she is an 11-year-old child. You are a 40-year-old man. Cut the child some slack. Ned kept Sansa in the dark about Joffrey and the Lannister’s. It was his duty as a father to protect her. He didn’t keep Arya in the dark. Sansa was sheltered and naive (the correct word an adult should use towards a child be it fictional or real) because that’s how Cat and Ned raised her. Ned did not shelter Arya. Did you know the reality of how the world really works and how people really can be like at age 11? Do most kids know? So, why would you expect Sansa to know?
              2. Sansa is entitled = there are zero examples to support this opinion. She is a High Lady. It is medieval custom for a princess/High Lady to marry another prince. If there’s anyone who’s shown entitlement here, it’s you. So, instead of focusing on a character’s non-existent entitlement, dare to focus on your very real one.
              3. She believed she was entitled because she was so beautiful = Firstly, I have no idea what show you were watching, so you clearly would have benefited from watching the show more than once as opposed to then having to form ignorant opinions. But let’s talk more about this and how it relates to why you love Tyrion so much. You’re annoyed that she’s beautiful. You’re annoyed that she gets to have so much because she’s beautiful. And like Tyrion, we can assume this anger towards Sansa is because you feel ugly. And, therefore, you yourself feel entitled, but you’re angry that you don’t receive things because of self-perceived unattractiveness. Therefore, you yourself ARE entitled. You’re just not successful at attaining the things you feel entitled to. So, again, focus on your much more clearly pronounced entitlement because right now you’re sounding like an angry incel raging at beautiful, the Stacy’s and the Chad’s, for getting *whatever they want.* Remember when I spoke about the incel movement and how it’s killing women? Yeah, comments like yours fan the flames. I will not tolerate any incel, high or low functioning, on my blog. Secondly, you were in your mid to early-30’s when you first watched Game of Thrones. Sophie Turner was in her early teens. You may want to dial down on calling barely teens beautiful and being angry at their beauty because it’s creepy.
              4. Finally, and most importantly: Sansa grew up, but you didn’t. She was 11, and you’re 40. Grow up. I don’t give a crap if it’s a show because pop culture opinions do influence how people think and it’s vapid to think that opinions do not have consequences.

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              1. Hi Sophia,

                I hope you’re doing well today. I am sorry. With deepest humility and sincerity, I offer my apologies. I did not mean to anger, insult, or offend you.

                Clearly, I’ve done a poor job of explaining myself. The simplest terms in which I can express my intent are these: when considering whether or not I like a character (or a person), gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexuality do not factor into my thinking at all. Think of it this way if it helps. If everything about Sansa were the same but she was a man, I would still dislike the character. If everything about Tyrion were the same but he was a female, I would still like the character.

                Regarding AOC, I don’t recall saying I’m not her greatest fan, and as you pointed out yourself in our exchange on another post, I’m too lazy to scroll back up in search of my exact words to try more accurately to dispute you. I was ecstatic when AOC and other non-white, non-male, & non-christian people were elected to Congress because I believe diversity is one of our greatest strengths. If I said I’m not her greatest fan, I didn’t mean that I don’t like her or some of her ideas. What I meant was that I’m not 100% in agreement with all of her political ideology and policy ideas. I like a lot of what she has to say, but some of it goes a little too far left for me. I lean left, but at heart I’m a moderate.

                As for my age, I’ll be 49 in a few months, and while I admit I still have a lot to learn and a many long-entrenched white American male privileged attitudes to overcome, I’m about as grown up as I’m going to get. How about you try showing a little respect for your elders instead of telling us off in an impetuous rage when our opinions differ from yours? That’s no way to keep lines of communication open and encourage meaningful dialogue.

                Take care, be well, and happy blogging. I look forward to hearing from you.

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                1. Wow, the sheer white entitlement in both your comments, even though others, women and people of colour included, pointed out to me that both your FIRST responses were extremely rude and disrespectful. I will reply to your comments when I can, but for now, what I’m seeing is a white man so unaware of his own faults that he cannot be reasoned with. You know what, I won’t. You don’t deserve a reply, you don’t deserve room in my thoughts or my blog. Good day.

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            2. Now, it’s clear that I touched a nerve by saying how you perceive Sansa is a litmus test for misogyny and you clearly seem furious that I pointed out Tyrion wanted to rape his sister and how dare Denny, superior intellectual white man, be wrong, huh? Right, now let’s address your misogyny and your subconscious racism:

              1. Pop culture critique has been a space that is often dominated by white men. I am a blogger of colour. So, I’m sure if you’re really about giving space to people of colour, you can sit your ass down about people of colour critiquing pop culture instead of demanding marginalised groups to stick to discussing only issues that you, a white man, deem as important. And, yes, it is about race because there is no way a woman of colour would have the nerve to tell another woman of colour what she should and should not write about. Good grief. This is what you sounded like: “i don’t think it’s important, I think it’s silly, I think you should write this because I, White man, know what’s good and what’s not, I know what you, silly woman of colour, should write about.” I don’t know how you had the nerve to even return to my blog and continue casually commenting with such confidence.
              2. If you’re really about empowering people of colour, why can’t you do a quick google search to find out what latinx means instead of asking me? How entitled to take up space that is not reserved for you, and make it about teaching you instead. I’m sure you can take a 5 second break from the performative wokeness olympics to find out what latinx means.
              3. Do you know what’s great about George R. R. Martin? He doesn’t treat women like they’re charity cases and female characters as human beings. Whereas, you, on the other hand, do treat female authors and female bloggers of colour like they’re charity cases. “Hey, everyone, I read a book by a female author! Can you believe it, I read a book by a woman! And OMG it was so good! And it was a woman who wrote it! It was a WOMAN! Yes, guys, a woman, can yer believe it??!! I’m going to go and tell everybody so everyone can see what a nice white man I am!” “You’re onto something with this!” (*scoffs* you’re right, I was just waiting for your validation) That’s not treating women like they’re equals. That is infantilising women. This is not how you talk to men either, I’ve seen it. Instead you say things like: “good and convincing arguments.” You don’t act at all shocked, whereas, with me it’s “there you go, little girl! Keep going! Yayyyyy, gold star for you!” A white man on twitter read my article and do you know what he said? “Good and convincing arguments.” He spoke to me like an equal. No mansplaining. No pat on the backs and gold stars. Now, you cannot deny or erase how I feel because I’ve asked women of colour and they themselves agree that it’s hella patronising. You don’t see women as equals and it shows.
              4. I asked “was the Vietnam war necessary” not “is war hell?” “War is hell” is not a goddamn epiphany, you weren’t enlightening anyone and stating the obvious is an attempt to discredit the intelligence of women and derail the conversation as to whether war is necessary. But it seems you didn’t have the intellectual capacity to debate the point so you resorted to stating the obvious to reclaim your superior white intellect and soothe that little white fragility. And what was the point of reading the second entry to my CoC series if you’re going to reduce the argument to “war is hell, what you gonna do?” You do realise the interviewee was a child at the time? Or is a corpse only important when it’s white? That’s why Americans have a lot of respect for their men in uniform, isn’t it? Because they fight your wars for you. Wars are fought anywhere but America now, so you and your children aren’t targeted civilians. You can wave off war as something that just happens because it doesn’t really happen to you, does it? Your life and your children’s lives aren’t affected, are they? White lives are safe, so why bother fighting against calls for war, right? If you’re so confident, I’m sure you can comment on the CoC Middle East entry and say “war is hell, that’s how life goes.” Let’s see how she reacts. But of course, it’s not white lives, it’s not your life, it’s not your children’s lives, so of course, why fight calls for war?
              5. So, how was I wrong about your internalised misogyny exactly? I was right to use your view of Sansa Stark as a litmus test for misogyny.

              I will speak to you when you apologise. I will not tolerate disrespect towards me on my blog. I will not tolerate misogyny or white fragility on my blog. Good day to you.

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              1. Hi Sophia,

                I apologized on our other commentary exchange, but in case you’re reading this one first, here it is again: “I am sorry. With deepest humility and sincerity, I offer my apologies. I did not mean to anger, insult, or offend you.”

                I don’t why you think I’m furious about anything you’ve posted on your blog or any comments you’ve made. I’m not furious, I’m not even the tiniest bit angry or perturbed. You’re entitled to your opinions no matter how much they differ from mine. I thought we were engaging in a free & open (and respectful) exchange of ideas, and I didn’t communicate in a manner that is disrespectful of your beliefs, opinions, and ideas. If I came across that way, I am sorry.

                You asked why I didn’t bother to do a Google search for terms I don’t know. For a couple of reasons. 1) Google/Wikipedia/the Internet are not the be-all and end-all of knowledge or accurate definitions. 2) You are the one using the term, and in a post, no less, that you claim is here to expose bloggers to the opinions, viewpoints, and experiences of POC and persons of other gender, etc. So I want to know what you mean by the terms you use; I don’t want to rely on what others mean by it. Since you hope that people who are unfamiliar with such topics will read your blog and thereby learn from it, maybe you should consider being a bit more explicit with your definitions instead of assuming readers either already know what you mean or have the time & will to navigate elsewhere at the moment. But it’s your blog, I’m not trying to tell you how to run it, just offering a humble suggestion as others have done for me, often to my benefit, from time to time.

                I answered some of your questions here in my response on the other post, so I’m not going to repeat myself here more than I already have by reiterating my apology.

                And I won’t ask you for an apology for how badly you’ve misunderstood my positions, completely misread my tone, and so spitefully mischaracterized my attitudes and beliefs. It’s your blog, and you have every right to speak as you see fit. Even more, I can forgive your response because I suspect that, as a POC and on oft-marginalized minority in your home country, you have probably been so often exposed to misogyny and religious & gender discrimination & persecution that you too easily see it where it doesn’t exist.

                Take care, be well, and happy blogging,

                Denny

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  2. It’s always interesting to read your articles especially on Thrones as you make excellent points but I think we just see the show so differently that its nice to look at it from another perspective. For better or worse its pretty much the entertainment that is front of my mind right now and I’m trying to tell myself no, no, you can’t do all the posts about it! But there’s so much to talk about 🙂

    Despite my dislike of how she’s been adapted and well honestly played Sansa does make good points. So where does the misogyny angle come in? The press covering the show? A large portion of the audience? I’m trying to think of a relevant situation involving the male characters on the show where they would have been called catty or gendered or the scrutiny applied. Jon and the Night’s Watch maybe? But that was a very different situation. I don’t think we were supposed to agree with the Night’s Watch there or even think they had good points. I’m almost as fascinated by the coverage of the show as anything else. A lot to think about and boy there could be a lot more to add to this conversation soon!

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    1. It’s the final season of the biggest television show there ever was, of course there must be discourse!

      I love how Sansa was basically becoming Scarlett O’Hara in the books. Either way, I think the “little bird was always a Phoenix” will prevail, the Starks are GRRM’s heroes after all. Same, I’m trying to think of a male to male equivalent, however, I think we both know that on any other show if such a situation were to occur between two prominent male leaders that ‘gendered,’ ‘regressive’ and ‘catty’ would never be applied. Is it really feminism if we demand women to get along? Feminism is supposed to recognise that women are human and human beings have their own individual concerns, if anything, the reaction was anti-feminism. We didn’t call Alliser Thorne ‘catty’ when he defied Jon. On the whole, the audiences reaction has always been something that’s fascinating for me, it’s like we got free and fun psychology lessons!

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  3. You brought up a lot of interesting points. I am a little reluctant to even choose between either of them to rule the throne, I slightly hope Jon will be the King, however it’s also a statement the show will make if the final ruler is a man – or woman. EIther way people will be angry anyways. I absolutely agree about Sansa’s CV in the North. Daenerys seems to be a bit out of character in the last episode, and I can see why so many people dislike her now, but we’ll see.

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    1. Sansa doesn’t factor into the fight for the throne, there is no fight for the throne here on Sansa’s part (she was done with the South seasons ago). The two different ways these two women see the world and their approach to leadership and ruling, this is fascinating and in this regard, Sansa easily wins. Jon refused to take the throne, he refused to take Daenerys seriously… look how that turned out. He’s fundamentally an apolitical person, therefore, I don’t think he would make a good ruler. I’m glad he’s at the Watch now though, he’s going to have a lot of fun with Tormund.

      Daenerys is not out of character. In the books we see more clearly how she’s left the cities in ruin without a stable economy to fall back on, she burned people without trial without even knowing if they’re guilty or not. *shudders* not out of character at all. D&D should have shown the negative consequences of her actions, but do we really need directors to tell us what is right and wrong? Do we not have the ability to decide ourselves? Are we babies that need to be spoon-fed?

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  4. I agree with a lot here. I found it astounding that Daenarys’ thirst to rule is so strong that she would not grant the Northerners their sovereignty in exchange for greater support and still ruling the remaining kingdoms.

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    1. They are completely different to the south as well! It’s basically the difference between Scotland and England. But Daenerys didn’t take the trouble to learn more about these differences. Typical. She didn’t try to learn the culture in Essos either.

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    1. And I actually don’t want either of them to rule — I’m more team Sansa after the episode last night, but overall I would like to see Tyrion on the throne. Or Jon- but I don’t think Jon is really a contender since he doesn’t want it– although I’m wondering if his desire for justice will spark a new desire to reign in him. Guess we’ll see!

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      1. Why would you not want Sansa to rule? Not the Iron Throne, she’s never wanted it, but the North, yes. She’s the only character from our current lot who’s shown repeatedly the ability to rule. Anyway, Daenerys is dead. She got her just desserts. And Sansa is alive and well and Queen in the North. I’m so glad Tyrion isn’t the ruler. He has been incompetent for a while and unjustifiably arrogant (considering he’s gotten a lot of things wrong), but, hey, at least Tyrion admitted he was wrong in the finale. Shame Sansa has been doing what Tyrion is praised for, but well, misogyny is misogyny, so some fans (surprisingly women too) do not applaud her for what Tyrion is praised for and lacks. But, hey, it’s interesting to learn more about how far we’ve come in terms of progression.

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        1. Such valid points!!! Very well said- you’re right about Tyrion- I guess just in the last couple seasons he has shown that he has a heart which is contrasted to many of the characters… but yes, I was so happy Sansa got the North in the end- was quite surprised by Bran though. Did not see that coming!

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          1. Apparently there were 3 holy s*** moments (Shireen & Hodor) and Bran becoming king is the 3rd one! I know a lot of people hate it, but I love Bran as a king. Hope you enjoyed the final season! 🙂💛

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